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Dear Friends: As you all know, Meryem Aksoy consistently writes a thorough and very interesting, and enlightening analysis of each episode. One of our dear friends, Citi Piti, was kind enough to translate the piece for episode 66 and for episode 67. Episode 67 is included below. Now, everyone is able to enjoy in Turkish and English the interesting and thought provoking analyses provided by Meryem Aksoy, but enjoy it from the perspective of another talented writer, Citi Piti. Again, Citi Piti, thank you.

Here is the translation of Meryem Aksoy's commentary on FGSN Episode 67. (From Citi Piti)

FGSN 67. BÖLÜM-OUR CHOICES AND HAVING MERCY…

Our choices make us who we are. We, ourselves, define our path and future. Of course, it is true that life and our destiny take us to different paths since we are not alone in this world. Lives collide and push us to the unexpected points but our choices define our path at the end. There are actually two choices in front of us, even if we think that we do not have a choice. The important thing is to choose to right one from these two available choices, to think about not only yourself but also others, and to act on neither our logic nor our feelings only. A person who can make the right choices at the right place deserves the respect. If we make the wrong choices, furthermore, if we repeat these mistakes, we don’t deserve the respect and the sympathy.

Kerim, Mustafa, Erdogam, Selim, and Vural are ordinary young guys even though they represent the different levels of the society; they never committed a crime and who would ever think that they would? The thing that makes Kerim different from Erdogan, Selim, and Vural is the choice that he made on that terrible night even tough he was under influence of alcohol and drugs as they were. He doesn’t choose the ugly path and he doesn’t cross over to the other side as the others do. Although Kerim confuses the path that makes him Kerim, he doesn’t stray from his path. However, Erdogan, Selim, and Vural cross over to the dark side by straying into the darkest path in front of them. Kerim and Mustafa are left behind. Kerim is the witness of that horrible night and he is somehow responsible for the events took place at that night and he is closer to the dark side than Mustafa. And they both start making their choices. The first choice is Mustafa’s. He tries Fatmagul without even listening or questioning her in the hospital and sentences her to death because, for Fatmagul, Mustafa is the only thing worth living for at that moment. And Mustafa pushes her down the abyss and takes a big step into the dark side by making his first choice. It is Kerim’s turn now. He sees Fatmagul at the cove. She is the witness of that horrible night, she will always hold their sins against them and she will be very dangerous for them with her existence, and here she is; choosing the death. This is the cleanest way to get rid of this mess. But he chooses to save her life by risking himself instead of watching her die. And Kerim takes another step to become “Kerim”. These paths and choices never end. Kerim has an option to run away or to deny what happened but when he sees Fatmagul at the police station, he makes his third important choice and he completely pushes his life aside to save Fatmagul from this mess, takes the blame, accepts to get married to her, and in fact, he gives a hand to Fatmagul whom he saw standing on the edge of the abyss. One more time, Kerim chooses to save life. Mustafa also goes to the police station but he doesn’t make any effort to save life. He takes another step into the dark by screaming death and revenge. Kerim gets married and accepts to take Fatmagul to Istanbul. He hears Fatmagul’s voice. Mustafa burns the house and ignores Fatmagul’s beggings. While Kerim advances on becoming “Kerim” step by step, Mustafa advances on becoming “Mustafa” with a full speed. Kerim cuts his ties with the dark and the Yasarans; Mustafa bonds with the dark and the Yasarans and fortifies his ties day by day. Kerim never uses the money Yasarans gave and later gives it to Fatmagul. Mustafa chooses money over Fatmagul . Kerim wants to save Fatmagul and Mustafa wants to destroy everybody including Fatmagul. While Kerim’s love saves the life, Mustafa’s love destroys. While Kerim’s love brightens the life, Mustafa’s love darkens. While Kerim’s love grows on the conscience values and honors you, Mustafa’s love soils and darkens you since it doesn’t have the conscience. Kerim dreams Fatmagul in a white wedding dress because Fatmagul is taintless and pure according to him. However, Mustafa, while fighting for his life, dreams about Fatmagul in the recent episodes that emphasize he did everything because he loved Fatmagul so much. Fatmagul’s wedding dress is soiled and has blood on it in those dreams. And they expect us to have a mercy and believe his love and his remorse with that tainted wedding dress.

Having mercy… Of course we will have mercy on him if they want us to do so. Who we didn’t pity? We, who cried for the poor victims of the ruthless dictators and prayed for the death of those dictators, had mercy on them time to time when we saw their final moments on this earth. Having mercy actually doesn’t shelter mercy, compassion, or love. Instead, it shelters disdain. Do dignified people want to have mercy on them? On the contrary, they are scared to death of being in such condition, they don’t ask for mercy, they don’t weep crocodile tears to have mercy. When Mustafa beg for mercy from Fatmagul, and indirectly from us; we start thinking less of him and he becomes unworthy. In fact, we belittle him and make him more worthless when we and Fatmagul have mercy on him. We and Fatmagul can pity him, but this doesn’t make his sins and crimes go away. We can’t pull him out of the dark side. On the contrary, we push him down and we vilify him. In fact, these are, in a way, the echoes of the ridiculing and the question of “look what you have now after all you’ve done?” I doubt that Mustafa can understand this. Because dignified person has shame and really regrets. People like Mustafa have no shame and they never really regret. This is why Mustafa wears white in his dreams while he imagines Fatmagul in a tainted wedding dress. He never thinks that he is a sinner or guilty. Because he always thinks that he has reasonable excuse for what he did.

For example, Mustafa uses “love” as an excuse. Is everything permissible when you are in love? If we are in love, do we have the right to harm, to destroy our love and beloved, to mistreat, to hurt, and to manipulate others people’s lives and feelings? Some people are like this and that is not the real love. This is an obsession but not love. Therefore, Mustafa’s reasoning is not real and valid. People like Mustafa cannot shelter a mighty feeling like love. Therefore, Mustafa’s love is not real. Real love is the feeling that emerges and grows in Kerims’ heart and that glorifies and saves the beloved. That’s why he is Kerim. Kerim is Kerim because of his choices, because of his love that glorifies, not destroys. Mustafa is Mustafa because of his choices and because of his alleged “love” that destroys and darkens. In the confess scene at the court that they want us to pity Mustafa, while he apologizes to Fatmagul and want her forgiveness, he also manipulates Kerim’s and Hacer’s feelings, he hurts and scares them. He actually harms some people even when he begs forgiveness. We are expected to be touched by his act when he closes his ears with his hands during Fatmagül’s testimony. Is it less important to see how Hacer’s world turns upside down when he tells his love to Fatmagul? Love can be making your beloved focal point of life but it shouldn’t be ignoring or destroying the rest of the world. While we were expected to understand and tolerate Mustafa, and while Fatmagul is expected to forgive him, don’t you think it is unfair to see Kerim to be worried about Fatmagul’s love that is not very apparent? Does Fatmagul really have to be the focal point of life and the show? Do they have to waste everybody for Fatmagul through Mustafa? Yes, she is the main character and biggest victim of this show but there are other people that need to be loved and respected in this show. And you can’t live happiness and peace all alone. If Kerim is not happy, how can Fatmagul be happy? Kerim that consoles himself with fake and crumbled happiness doesn’t make the viewers happy. And who would be happy with unhappy viewers? You may pity Mustafa’s selfish love and its results. You can forgive him but this doesn’t make us to love Mustafa, doesn’t make Mustafa right, doesn’t make him a good person, and it definitely doesn’t make him Kerim. Because he is Mustafa and he is already on the dark side.

In every episode, although Kerim is on the good side, they condemn him to such a vicious cyle that he can’t be sure of himself and he is still insecure. Although Fatmagul assures him about her feelings, her looks and acts don’t line up with what she says. Even her testimony is not reliable if you look at this from Kerim’s perspective; because it is not possible to understand whether there is a pity or compassion in her testimony. Her smile to Kerim looks like a consolation and this puzzles us about her sincerity. Isn’t love to make your beloved to be the focal point of your life? Then, thinking your beloved no different than others or sometimes “not realizing your beloved” make you doubt about that love. Kerim’s defiance is so right when he said he didn’t want to be invisible. Can the beloved be invisible? Or can the eyes that don’t see the beloved be the eyes in love? Furthermore, when Kerim looked with fear and concern at the court, it is impossible to think this as a simple jealousy. Kerim has every right to distrust this love despite all these kisses, hugs, and expressed love. And this is very hurtful and consuming feeling. Does Kerim have to have these worries in every episode? Do we have to? The reason for having Mustafa in this show is to keep this distrust alive. We always say this; according to show goddesses, these shows come to end if the lovers reunite. Therefore, if they are going to present a full happiness, it is going to be at the last episode.

We and Kerim may be satisfied because Fatmagul has expressed her love and said that she is sure of her feelings. However, the same Fatmagul told Hacer how she hated Mustafa to reassure her although she didn’t look so hateful against Mustafa at the court room and in the hallways. If Fatmagul can express her hate to comfort someone, then she should be able to express her love to her husband who puts his life in danger for her. How can we be sure of this love? There is only one way: Fatmagul’s gestures and expressions should be more logical and real. Otherwise, neither we nor Kerim will be sure of this love at the final episode of this show and we will not be able to make up with Fatmagul.

For me, another character that I cannot make up with is Meryem. Perfect Meryem, who protects everybody, who takes everybody under her wings, and whose character has changed after the marriage. She is a bizarre woman and we couldn’t understand why she was against protecting Hacer. At least, her change didn’t contaminate Kadir Bey. We all saw how Kadir Bey was like a father to Hacer, how he treated her like his daughter in the hospital and we all know that he is a puzzled man who cannot separate his business life from his personal life. At last, we got our answer to our “mobile lawyer” similitude and they reminded us that Kadir Bey had an office by placing Hacer into his office. In fact, this was a reminder for Kadir Bey. But, no big deal, we love Kadir Bey with or without his office. We can’t get along with his lovely wife.

Yet, we made up with Mukaddes for the last two episodes. She brought vividness and excitement to the gloomy house. She talked on behalf of us with her questions and curiosity. She became our voice. Although she sometimes looks like she is interrupting Kerim and Fatmagul; she pushes them to each other. Lately, she is the most sympathetic and positive character of this show.

The characters in this show are not completely established yet. They are shifting constantly. You can’t guess what the characters are going to do or what they are going to become next. One week they are good, next week they are something different. Mukaddes and Meryem are the best examples of this shifting. And there are also “once-upon-a-time” characters in this show. Yasar has vanished in this episode. Although he was the key witness, he didn’t even testify. This trial is a total fiasco. Although Mustafa’s lawyer defended Mustafa only for the Vural Case, Mustafa stood trial on three charges and was sentenced. There is no method or principal. I don’t know how they did it but they combined the cases and sentenced Mustafa in a very short time; they never examined Yasarans relation to this case. And this is another addition to our puzzling events list. How can you let Kerim, who is the defendant in Vural Case, sit in the defendant chair while charging Mustafa for attempting to murder Kerim. This speedy trial is a real scandal. This shows that scenarists and the production firm don’t consult to a consultant; they rather prefer to ask Google and then write the scenario.

Oh, there is also Hacer’s double marriage. Legal double marriage??? Single passport, but double marriage??? It may be possible between Turkey and Germany. This is Ece & Melek classic after all; they are also going to add Demir to “once-upon-a-time” characters list. This is inevitable.

And there is Ayce. She is the latest addition to this list; new friend of Selim and Erdogan. I am sure she has her own valid excuses, like Mustafa, to do human trafficking. Actually, she is a very classy girl. She knows Erdogan and Selim’s story and how bad they are. But she doesn’t have a problem hugging them and she is so cute; because they are not the dirt bags with their increased cursing, selfishness, and sins. And also Resat Yasaran cannot be a dirt bag either. The annoying journalist in the jail treats him as if he is a “dirt bag.” This is completely journalist’s fault. In fact, all these things happening to Resat are someone else’s fault as it was for Mustafa. This is not his choice. For example, it is Perihan’s fault. It is indeed Perihan’s fault since she didn’t stop all of this at the beginning and since she raised her voice so late. She is our informant who doesn’t do what she says and whom we don’t know what her plans are or what she is doing. We don’t understand why she is so quite, why she doesn’t raise her voice, why she acts as if she is the guilty one, or why she insists on witnessing while other family members, especially Hilmiye, have an attitude towards her. If she takes back Resat or leave that house to Resat, she should take over the gullibility crown from this show’s most gullible couple Meltem and Ender. But, she is a mother and it was painful to watch her while she was reading Selim’s letter. But didn’t they hurt so many people until now?

Meltem and Ender: Isn’t their desperation against Munir proof of their poor aptitude? Don’t mind Meltem’s doubts about Muge; even this won’t do any good for making them logical and clever.

Let’s talk about Fahrettin Bey and Mumtaz Bey. The characteristic of these two lovely old men is to see what police can’t see. In the previous episodes, they suspected thinner addicts while the police ignored them during the cemetery search. They reached the network that dismantles cars and then people hiding Mustafa by connecting the dots that the police couldn’t relate. Furthermore, they instantly located Mustafa on the side of the road while police couldn’t pinpoint him. Therefore, it is very normal for police to tolerate Fahrettin Bey’s effusiveness while they are arresting the people hiding Mustafa. Do you remember what Mukaddes told about father and son: “They are from the same model.”

Yes, Fahrettin Bey and Kerim are the same. But Kerim never gives up and he chases his love till the end. Kerim is very much in love and wants his love to be requited. However, he neither hurries nor forces to do this. He handles it very carefully and patiently. He never loses hope in this love despite his doubts and worries. We can’t ignore the normalizations in this relationship. For example, Mukaddes and Meryem talks about the marriage while Fatmagul listens them eagerly in the kitchen. Right after that, Kerim comes home, and calls for Fatmagul, and asks how she is when he sees her acting strangely. And he doesn’t insist on questioning her after he gets some response back and leaves the kitchen. This is a typical man behavior and we enjoy that moment because of Engin Akyurek. As for Fatmagul’s reactions, there is more there. There is only one reason why Fatmagul behaves this way in this kind of situations even though it is not reflected very clearly. And this is a very positive and pleasant reason. Kerim always behaves natural and warm in these kind of scenes because he is focused more on the platonic love. Fatmagul’s feelings and earning her love are more important to him. But our Fatmagul sometimes thinks about the sex and therefore she is embarrassed and nervous. And this is a good thing.

They(scenarists) are one step forward two steps back rather than one step forward, thousand steps back as in old days. Their new habit is to put Mustafa’s picture in between. If that didn’t happen, we wouldn’t have this back and forth. Unfortunately, neither viewers nor Kerim will be able to get rid of Mustafa. He will be hanging over them like a sword of Damocles with the help of Fatmagul’s confusing gestures. There is no turning back for Kerim. He will win at the end. He must win. He must be the winner of this struggle against all the malice, the stupidity, and mistakes in this show. They should end this inadequate social message comedy and they should give real social message to the people. They should calm the viewer. Otherwise, this show will be remembered as an awful show with a very talented actor that stole the audiences’ heart. If it is ever remembered, it will be because of Kerim character. It will be remembered with Kerim’s patience and labor. It will be remembered with Kerim’s deep love for Fatmagul.

(The following is Sonnet # 19 from Bertolt Brecht. I couldn’t find the English translation and I don’t think I could translate this good enough. I’ll do direct translation without caring about its poetic structure. But, if you do have an English translation of this poem, I appreciate if you do share it here)

My one requirement: that you stay with me
I want to hear you even if you speak nonsense
If you were deaf, my heart would want your words
If you were mute, my heart would want whatever you see.

If I was blind, I would want to see you
You guided me staying by my side
We couldn’t even go beyond the half of this long road
Think about the darkness that we live in

It is futile when you say “leave me, I am hurt”
You can’t leave your duty, you just postpone it
Not anywhere else, only here.

You know the person you need is not free
My heart wants only you above everything else
I can say “we” instead of “I”

( Bertolt Brecht )

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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 10:54 am








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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 10:55 am

Multumim , Michi !! kiss
La poeme nu-i intrece nici naiba . Smile

Cate poze au facut fanii . kiss S-au tinut tari ... Smile

Frumusel foc Engin !!!
Dar eu mereu il vad asa . Smile

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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 10:57 am

cred ca e pelerinaj la ei la filmari.

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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 10:57 am




http://www.ayakligazete.com.tr/haber/fatmagul_un_sucu_ne_dizisinin_yakisikli_oyuncusu_unlu_guzelle_yakalandi_.htm


o fi iubita lui selim?

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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 10:58 am

michiper68 a scris:cred ca e pelerinaj la ei la filmari.

Pelerinaj la ce ???? Smile Smile

Chiar ca este o aglomeratie pe acolo . kiss

Nu stiu cine este , Michi ... duduia aia . kiss



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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:01 am

victorelalove a scris:

Pelerinaj la ce ???? Smile Smile

Chiar ca este o aglomeratie pe acolo . kiss

Nu stiu cine este , Michi ... duduia aia . kiss


daca i-a prins paparatele impreuna ...e dubios.

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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:02 am

michiper68 a scris:

daca i-a prins paparatele impreuna ...e dubios.

Oricum baiatul asta am auzit ca este mereu cu alta fata . Nu stiu ... nu sunt interesata . Smile


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Mesaj Scris de gix la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:03 am

Vic scrie in toate ziarele din Turcia ,Beren hamile in doua luni.

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Mesaj Scris de dubaisport la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:04 am

buna fetelor ! kiss

Vic ....avocatul a dus-o pe Asu la el la birou ,sa doarma acolo ,ptr ca ex-sotul o gasise si la sami acasa....Abla l-a auzit vorbind la tel si i-a zis ca ei au deja problemele lor ,sa nu-l mai intereseze de altii si sa se orienteze pe viata lor de cuplu ,ca familie ..auzind astea ,baba l-a sunat pe Muntaz si i-a zis sa grabeasca cautarile ptr casa ...

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Mesaj Scris de dubaisport la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:05 am

poate e o stire falsa cu sarcina ...stiti cum sunt ziaristii

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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:07 am

am mai gasit ceva frumos postat ieri. rahmi la emisiunea lui mesut yar. e postat la beren si cred ca a zis ceva despre beren. dar rahmi e rahmi... asha e actorul. pare cam tantalau.si in gesturi.



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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:12 am

gix a scris:Vic scrie in toate ziarele din Turcia ,Beren hamile in doua luni.

Am inteles!! kiss Multumesc , gix !! kiss
Sa le fie de bine . Dar s-au cam grabit ... dar ce stiu eu . Dragoste mare !!! Smile

Michi , Rahmi cred ca este cam asa ceva si in realitate ... Smile

Dubai , cred ca tata le ia o casa mica ... sa nu aiba nimeni pretentia sa se mute cu ei ... Dar parca vad ca doarme kerim in cort si Mukko cu familionul se muta in casuta . Smile

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Mesaj Scris de dubaisport la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:15 am

daca Beren e gravida ..cariera ei va face o pauza mare ...chiar daca ea va dori sa se reintoarca pe platourile de filmare mai repede ,nu cred ca vor sari ofertele pe ea

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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:20 am

dubaisport a scris:daca Beren e gravida ..cariera ei va face o pauza mare ...chiar daca ea va dori sa se reintoarca pe platourile de filmare mai repede ,nu cred ca vor sari ofertele pe ea

Eu nu a vad pe Beren sa renunte asa de usor la cariera ... de asta nu cred ca este insarcinata . Pare o tipa care vrea sa se bucure de viata .
Dar cine mai stie ... are totusi o varsta . Se apropie de 30 de ani ( era sa sriu 300 Smile ) . Poate ca vrea si copii . kiss
Or sa iasa si frumosi ca " el cantanteciosu' " ... viitorul de aur al Turciei . Smile

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Mesaj Scris de dubaisport la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:23 am

parerea mea e ..Beren s-a grabit,trebuia sa mai astepe ,abia a implinit 28 ani ,putea sa faca copii si la 35 ani

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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:26 am

dubaisport a scris:parerea mea e ..Beren s-a grabit,trebuia sa mai astepe ,abia a implinit 28 ani ,putea sa faca copii si la 35 ani

Acum ... fiecare cum crede de cuvinta . kiss
Eu l-am facut pe al meu la 25 si tot cred ca l-am facut tarziu . Smile Trebuie sa incep si la al doilea . Smile

Iti place Engin in pozele imbracat in treningul gri ????
Nu-i asa ca este de vis ?????

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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:31 am

si cand au scris de tuba a fost adevarat. eu nu gasesc stirea dar fanii ei isi tot trimit ,,ceva important'' pe mp.

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Mesaj Scris de dubaisport la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:32 am

victorelalove a scris:

Acum ... fiecare cum crede de cuvinta . kiss
Eu l-am facut pe al meu la 25 si tot cred ca l-am facut tarziu . Smile Trebuie sa incep si la al doilea . Smile

Iti place Engin in pozele imbracat in treningul gri ????
Nu-i asa ca este de vis ?????
Vic..nu e vorba de noi
si eu am facut-o pe fiica-mea la 29 ,as fi facut-o mult mai devreme daca s-ar fi putut
eu ma refeream strict la ACTRITA BEREN .....ea acum e pe val, sunt multi actori care stau la panda si asteapta momentul oportun ,doar-doar o renunta cineva la un rol ca sa-l ia ei.....in Tr industria cinematografa e f mare ,sunt multi actori,concurenta e mare....

dar poate ca s-a saturat de filme si vrea sa ia o pauza de vreo 5-6 ani Smile

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Mesaj Scris de dubaisport la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:34 am

michiper68 a scris:si cand au scris de tuba a fost adevarat. eu nu gasesc stirea dar fanii ei isi tot trimit ,,ceva important'' pe mp.
pai asta e Bomba..nu ceva important Smile Smile

Beren a baut apa dupa Mukk..de asta poate va dormi in epis de diseara cu Elif ,deja i-a lectii de bebelusi Smile

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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:34 am

dubaisport a scris:

dar poate ca s-a saturat de filme si vrea sa ia o pauza de vreo 5-6 ani Smile

Eu o vad o tipa careia ii place sa fie in centrul atentiei si asta inseamna ca vrea sa joace ...inca . Dar poate ca ma insel .
Oricum , treaba ei ce face . kiss Se potriveste cu cantaciosul . Smile

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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:35 am

michiper68 a scris:si cand au scris de tuba a fost adevarat. eu nu gasesc stirea dar fanii ei isi tot trimit ,,ceva important'' pe mp.

Asta este , Michi ...Ceva-ul important ... dar de ce nu vorbesc pe fata ? Smile Smile Smile

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Mesaj Scris de michiper68 la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:37 am

am gasit stirea. la fel a fost si la tuba. mie mi se pare ca e stire mult prea importanta ca sa scrie minciuni. mai fac si ei supozitii dar aici...e ceva. prea se tot afiseaza beren cu cantaciosul, si nu pare chiar mereu vesela


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Mesaj Scris de victorelalove la data de Joi 29 Mar 2012, 11:40 am

michiper68 a scris:... si nu pare chiar mereu vesela

Pi de ce nu ar fi vesela ?
Ii este rau ? kiss

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