27.Fatmagül'un sucu ne ? ~ General Discussions - Comentarii

o s-o alerge kerim in jurul copacului aluia pe principiul..
o mai lasa 5 minute
iar o prinde
iar o ...

Aoleuuuuu ... A zapacit de cap fanele Engin/Kerim .
Incurca lumea zilele :

it was so funny i think today is Thursday and wait and wait to come on line the 70 episode .i am get crazy today is Wednesday but i will waiting 20-22 more hours.Tonight on the bus lady call her husband and said :" put on fast the TV and watch to tell me what happen to time to come home"I was sitting to her and tell her what will happen tonight in episode( i think is close to 30 in Bulgaria) she was so happy to know.Thank you Kerim (Engin) you bring so much light in our busy crazy life.

victorelalove a scris:

In episodul 68 ... cu blugii aia ... si cu blugii aia ... a fost de vis .
Mai ales cand mergea pe strada ... nu am avzut ce era in jur , nu am vazut Gullie , nu am vazut caine , nu am vazut serpentina ...decat dupa vreo 20 de vizualizari . Tanti Hilara ... nu a vazut si ea cum se vede ??????

tanti hilara saliva si pupa monitorul. nici ea n-a vazut facea fatmagul pe acolo.

michiper68 a scris:o s-o alerge kerim in jurul copacului aluia pe principiul..
o mai lasa 5 minute
iar o prinde
iar o ...

Dar si Gulliei o sa-i placa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

victorelalove a scris:Aoleuuuuu ... A zapacit de cap fanele Engin/Kerim .
Incurca lumea zilele :

it was so funny i think today is Thursday and wait and wait to come on line the 70 episode .i am get crazy today is Wednesday but i will waiting 20-22 more hours.Tonight on the bus lady call her husband and said :" put on fast the TV and watch to tell me what happen to time to come home"I was sitting to her and tell her what will happen tonight in episode( i think is close to 30 in Bulgaria) she was so happy to know.Thank you Kerim (Engin) you bring so much light in our busy crazy life.

sunt demolate emotional. le trebuie terapie.

victorelalove a scris:


Dar si Gulliei o sa-i placa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ea o sa scape carpa de bucatarie din mana si o sa aplece instantaneu dupa ea. ...

michiper68 a scris:

tanti hilara saliva si pupa monitorul. nici ea n-a vazut facea fatmagul pe acolo.

Cu siguranta ... oricum nu ca ar mai fi contat altceva .
Poate dor pentru araboaice sa nu fie o scena frumoasa .

michiper68 a scris:

ea o sa scape carpa de bucatarie din mana si o sa aplece instantaneu dupa ea. ...

Sunt curioasa daca o pun in episodul 74 ... Dar dupa ce ne spui ca tanti writer ...era fericita si flirta cu nenea compozitor ... cred ca avea nevoie de inspiratie pentru scena .

victorelalove a scris:

Cu siguranta ... oricum nu ca ar mai fi contat altceva .
Poate dor pentru araboaice sa nu fie o scena frumoasa .

araboaicele vor fi in extaz. vor spune ce catel frumos, ce serpentine minunate, ce zi insorita. ele nu vad copacul. se uita la trasaturile serpentinelor si la garduri. sti ca sunt zone unde femeile au camasa de noapte cu o gaura in fatza si atat. nu se desbraca. sigur nu cred ca sunt din cele care au acees la net...dar ...

victorelalove a scris:

Sunt curioasa daca o pun in episodul 74 ... Dar dupa ce ne spui ca tanti writer ...era fericita si flirta cu nenea compozitor ... cred ca avea nevoie de inspiratie pentru scena .

poate negocia ptr melodia din timpul ....ea ce asculta in timp ce? o fi comandat ceva cu tobe prelungite? storm in africa ?

michiper68 a scris:

araboaicele vor fi in extaz. vor spune ce catel frumos, ce serpentine minunate, ce zi insorita. ele nu vad copacul.

Eeeeeeeeeee ... deci pana la urma su bucura toate natiile .
Dar Enginu' vad ca le place rau de tot si araboaicelor .

victorelalove a scris:

Eeeeeeeeeee ... deci pana la urma su bucura toate natiile .
Dar Enginu' vad ca le place rau de tot si araboaicelor .

ele sunt mereu intr-un vid emotional. asha a declarat murat. el a umplut o doime din vidul lor, a mai umplut si kivanc o doime, unele s-au marit si le-au umplut sotzii lor vidurile. acum e randul lui engin.

michiper68 a scris:

poate negocia ptr melodia din timpul ....ea ce asculta in timp ce? o fi comandat ceva cu tobe prelungite? storm in africa ?

PAI CE POATE FI MAI NIMERIT ???????
Le trebuie ceva de efect ...melodia asta este frumoasa ...dar suna mai mult a cucerirea cetatii . Desi , Gullia a fost ceva mai greu de cucerit .

victorelalove a scris:

PAI CE POATE FI MAI NIMERIT ???????
Le trebuie ceva de efect ...melodia asta este frumoasa ...dar suna mai mult a cucerirea cetatii . Desi , Gullia a fost ceva mai greu de cucerit .

nu am nici o inspiratie ptr ce melodie vor alege. sper sa nu fie rock .

michiper68 a scris:..acum e randul lui engin.

Si ele nu se uita la ce trebuie ...

michiper68 a scris:

nu am nici o inspiratie ptr ce melodie vor alege. sper sa nu fie rock .

Nu cred . Va fi ceva lent ... si parca vad ca Kerim umple casa de trandafiri ...lasa tepii la usa ...ca paote vine Mukka . Si apoi cred ca mai mare fastaceala nu am vazut niciodata .
Dar la ei va fi greu inceputul . Apoi se dau pe brazda ... si parca vad ca nu se mai duce Gullia la restaurant ...

vic am obosit. ma duc la culcare. am ras mult si m-a epuizat. noapte buna!!

michiper68 a scris:vic am obosit. ma duc la culcare. am ras mult si m-a epuizat. noapte buna!!

Noapte buna .
Si eu am ras mult de tot .

buna dimineata dragelor !

Buna dimineata la o cafea!

Bună dimineața tuturor! Din indicii am înțeles că nu se va întâmpla ceva spectaculos în episodul din seara aceasta,dar că în episodul următor(71) vor fi ceva artificii.
Vă doresc să aveți spor la pregătirile pentru Paști! Azi se înroșesc oualele,nu?

Buna dimineata !!
O zi frumoasa va doresc !!


Multumim , Dubai , Lica , Nicky !!
Episodul din seara asta va fi interesant la final ...cand se vor revedea copii .

Dubai ...pai cred ca si episoadele 72 si 73 pana la final tot de umplutura sunt . Inainte de nunta ...trebuie sa mai traga si ei de timp . Cred ca se vor ocupa de amenajarea casei si poate afla de complotul Mukkai .

neatza!



Here is the English translation of Meryem Aksoy's commentary. Enjoy.

FGSN EPISODE 69. LONELINESS
They don't know,
Those who don't live alone,
How frightening is
Soundlessness;
How a person talks to himself,
How he runs to mirrors,
Hungry for a soul,
They don't know it.

Orhan Veli (Translated by Murat Nemet-Nejat, 1989)

Loneliness is a very scary thing. It is not the same as withdrawing into your shell by your own will or hiding in your safe harbour by getting away from your hectic life or staying by yourself. Real loneliness is a conviction, not a voluntary thing. You can’t end the real loneliness whenever you want. It is sometimes for a lifetime as in MFO’s (Mazhar Fuat Ozkan) song. You can’t escape it even though you struggle to get out of it. You hopelessly struggle in the emptiness. You want to see the end of it, you try to hold onto a hope, a tiny branch but everything remains in your hands, the hopes smash before you. There is no beginning or end of the loneliness as if it is endless. Crowds surround you. However, crowds are no cure for the loneliness; you remain all alone in the crowd. Maybe the most terrifying loneliness is the one in the middle of the crowd. The crowd suffocates you. It hurts you. Loneliness slaps you in the face even harder with their laugh and their real or fake happiness. But this is not even the most terrifying shape of the loneliness. The most terrifying is the one that you left her/him all alone. This is the scariest and the most destructive one. Vedat Sakman sings his famous song:

My loneliness, you are my togetherness that I have to live with
My loneliness, you are my blood, my soul, my despair
My loneliness, you are my today, my tomorrow, my melancholies
My loneliness, you are the only thing I know, and you are my essential.

What does Kerim say to Emre? “But what can I do? Who can I tell? And this is my life and this is my reality.”
Loneliness is Kerim’s reality. He is all alone in this life. He has been left alone. Kerim left himself alone. That’s why we are touched by his sadness, pain, tears, hopes, and disappointments. We want to hug him in the middle of this horrible loneliness. We want to protect him. We want to share his loneliness and we want to scream “Kerim you are not alone, we are here.” We love him so much because of his frightening loneliness. That’s why, Kerim who looks from a distance from the window of his shed in Goksu to his family that he doesn’t belong to is the Kerim that we love the most. He was all alone even when he was a little boy and with his parents; because his parents’ priority was their love, not Kerim. Kerim was always in the second or even in the third place. Their love was selfish. It was selfishness beyond forcing your loved one to love you back. It was so selfish that they did not see or think anybody but themselves and their beloved. They left little Kerim all alone even he was with them. There might be Ebe Nine and Meryem to share his loneliness. However, Kerim was not a brother or a son but a project for Meryem who always said that they shared their loneliness after Ebe Nine’s death. When her project disappointingly failed in that gloomy night, she already left Kerim and started working on her new project called “Fatmagul”. There was no more Kerim for Meryem. Did Kerim have any friends? Vural, Erdogan, and Kerim. It is sad, isn’t it? He was nothing but a driver or somebody to complete the group in their summer vacations for them. In short, Kerim was alone. However, the most horrifying thing is that he left himself on that night and has convicted himself to loneliness. He is so lonely that he can’t even have a heart-to-heart talk with himself and he can’t speak out his problems; because he has left himself and doesn’t want to listen himself.

Nevertheless, it is not the same for Fatmagul. Her life was also difficult. Her parents died when she was little, she had tried to hold onto the life with a half-witted brother, and grew up with a mean sister-in-law. She had the most terrible tragedy that nobody ever wanted to live through. Her life had been shaped by pains but she had never been alone and she had never been left alone in the middle of these pains. Her parents were real parents; kids were always the most important thing for them. Her brother is a real brother who unconditionally loves his sister, albeit his all disabilities. And Fatmagul hasn’t left herself. Therefore, she easily can say “I”. However, Kerim can’t say “I” because he left “I” a long time ago.

When he just thought that he could share his loneliness, when he just felt that he wasn’t alone for the first time, when his voice was just not a stranger to himself anymore, when he could just confront himself, he saw those letters and the ruthless inside voice told him “You are alone Kerim. You are not a man that somebody can love or can share your loneliness and your heart. You will never be such a man.”

What else does Kerim say to Emre? “She has been trying to convince herself that she loves me.” Because he doesn’t think that he is a loveable man, he has never been really loved, and he has never truly felt the love. As I told you, he has been convicted to loneliness and to live without a love. Therefore, these letters have almost destroyed Kerim. Therefore, he wants to leave, he wants to get away. He wants to save people from being doomed to him.

If only he could talk, if only he could let it all go by telling the reasons for his bleeding wounds and the things poisoning him; but it is very difficult. Because there is still nobody he can talk. He can’t talk to Fatmagul. Even though their relationship have come long way, even though they are very close and act as if they are real couple, they can’t still openly talk to each other. Fatmagul was not truly open to Kerim when she received the letter. She hid the very thing that she should have told. Being open is the most important thing to build the trust between them, which is not there yet. She did this for Kerim with good intentions and she did not want to hurt his feelings. This is not even a white lie and she didn’t lie. However, sometimes the painful truth hurts less than the white lies. Sometimes we need to know the truth even if it is going to make us sad or angry. Sometimes we need to tell the truth even if we know that it is going to hurt other’s feelings. However, what is supposed to be told has not been told and the trust has not been built yet while their love is on fast track. Kerim is also not open to Fatmagul. He has not openly shared his mistrust with his beloved. On the contrary, he ran from the truth. He is as much as guilty as Fatmagul or even more when he hid his mistrust, when he ran from the truth, when he hid the newspapers from Fatmagul. They’ve revealed their soft spot by being not open to each other and the opportunist malice has used this soft spot to the full extend.


But, Kerim is alone. Kerim doesn’t trust. In fact, he doesn’t trust himself, not Fatmagul. He doesn’t belive that he is a man whose loneliness can be shared and who can be loved. That’s why he is disappointed, his loneliness is multiplied, and he runs away.

That’s why he is happy when our smiley face Emre comes. Emre is a real person. He is a real and devoted friend that he can talk to. Kerim will talk to Emre, will ease his mind, maybe will have his self confidence back, and believe himself. Even though Emre friendly said “You don’t know anything and you will know nothing unless you talk to Fatmagul”, he is still insecure and he left with his little bag full of insecurities.

In fact, Kerim is right to have mistrust problems with Fatmagul. Even though we are told otherwise, was Fatmagul totally over Mustafa inside of her? Won’t you be disgusted even by touching a letter that is written by a man who kidnapped you, scared you, hurt your family and beloved repeatedly. Shouldn’t you throw it immediately and wash your hands as a reaction? What did Fatmagul do? She held it tight and she couldn’t throw it into the first trash can she saw and she had a short dilemma between reading and throwing it. No, Fatmagul absolutely didn’t kill the Mustafa inside of her. Unless she kills the Mustafa inside of her and show this to Kerim and us, Kerim’s mistrust will not go away.

It is not very important that she didn’t reply to Mustafa after what Kerim read in these letters. Let’s see what Mustafa says in his first letter:

“You didn’t really became his wife, because you do love me…” The most terrible thing is not Mustafa’s hope or judgement but his knowledge of the most private things between Fatmagul and Kerim and Fatmagul told him this private information. Furthermore, in his letter he says “Sometimes you are in my dreams; you sit next to me and quietly sing songs for me.” Is there a worse thing than your beloved’s being in someone else’s dream? Kerim took the biggest hit with these letters. He thought he was fooled and deceived and he understood that he would never be loved.


Mustafa’s existence will always cause mistrust between them because neither Mustafa nor our writers will leave them alone. Of course, letter problems will be solved in a couple of episodes. But there will be new excuses for unrest. Of course, there will be Mustafa contributing to that unrest. We satisfied or not, it was realistic or not, it was obvious that we wouldn’t be able to get rid of Mustafa after he was punished. Although we knew that he would be effective somehow since the first episode, we couldn’t foresee that he would always be in the picture. I am sure he will still be effective in the future because our writers are in difficulty plotting a scene without Mustafa. They gave us hints about the future by portraying silent, reserved, weird behaving Mustafa; they are probably looking for ways of early release of Mustafa.


If we mention Mustafa, then we have to mention the other menace Mukaddes. We know that she is jealous and blabbermouth and she does not care for anybody when her self-interests are in question. But what is her gain from the separation of Kerim and Fatmagul? She was very jealous of Fatmagul in this episode as we all expected. She was jelous of her preparations, her happiness, her love with Kerim, her being loved by Mustafa, her letters, everything. Her tears when she read the letters were not because she was touched by the content; they were because of pure jealousy. Her jealousy when they are looking at the things she bought, or when they are looking for furniture on the internet, or when she is visiting their new house are what is expected from Mukaddes. Reading and hiding letters are like Mukaddes’ signature. But hiding the letters under the bed and putting special effort to make Kerim to find them are not very consistent with Mukaddes’ calculating and recent personality and this is added as an another item to never-ending-character-shift list. Can anybody tell me why Kerim did stay at home instead of doing restorations in the new house while there was too much to do in the new house and the wedding date was decided? Shouldn’t he take care of the new house? Please don’t say he stayed at home to wait for the delivery of the new things they bought because Kadir and Mukaddes were also at home and these new things don’t need to be carried to the upstairs right away. But irrationality is on high levels and our writers made everything possible.

We hope that the letter issue is cleared up and Mukaddes learns her lesson. We hope the letter issue doesn’t disappear like other subjects that were lost between the dusty scenario pages, like the first gifts that Kerim bought for Fatmagul on New Year.
What does Perihan Yasaran say for Mustafa in this episode? “He is too late; he should have talked long time ago.” Didn’t we say the same thing for Perihan Yasaran? The war of nerves between Perihan and Resat intensifies in this episode. Perihan has an attitude of being out of malice even though she is among the bad people. But, which side is she on? She allegedly showed us which side she is on and her wishes by saying “You reap what you sow. There is no crime, no cruelty without punishment. They will come back. They will be arrested and brought here. Both of them will be here during Fatmagul’s trial.” But, there is “but.” Maybe she needs to be there because she has special plans. But she should remember that she is among the bad and she is still hiding many facts. She still didn’t tell what she needs to tell. No offence, but she is still on the bad side.

But Lale Hanim whom we got all suspicious for weeks is on the good side now all of a sudden. Apparently, her husband is a victim of Yasaran Holding and she will get a revenge. So, what did happen to Lale’s husband? Probably, there is some parallelism between Turaner Alagoz’s death and him. Turaner is dead and Lale’s husband is disabled. But can she hide her identity while dealing with ministers and counsellors, having ties with high level government organizations and being so influential in bids? I don’t understand why on the earth Yasarans who don’t overlook anything do not investigate Lale.


For example, we didn’t quite understand why GSM reports were invalidated and said this was nonsense. We asked why there was only one base station in that region while almost every region has more than one base station. We asked why they invalidated the GSM Reports by saying that Yasarans home and the cove where the rape incident happened were in the same region even though you could get results that could identify where the cell phone was located. And what happened? Surprise! We have new GSM Reports that prove that Fatmagul is right. Everybody have celebrated. And Meryem is over the moon. Nobody questioned this discrepancy. And they corrected another nonsense in the scenario this way. This episode was already shaped according to viewers’ demand and criticisms and therefore majority liked this episode.

Meryem, who jumped into her other project when the first one failed or who forgot all of them when she fell in love, made very distasteful comment about Kerim when she saw Fatmagul’s concern after Kerim came to the kitchen and questioned her about Mustafa and the letters; she said “You know he read about him in the newspaper this morning and this (she means Kerim) is obsessed with Mustafa and he got angry. Mustafa is in jail, but he (Kerim) still thinks about him.” Such an angry, accusing, and belittling statement. She doesn’t even try to understand or to empathy him. As a mother or big sister, use “he” instead of “this” so that your expression in that sentence gets softer. Try to express your ideas to Fatmagul in an understanding but not accusing manner so that let Fatmagul perceive it softer, let her understand Kerim, and let her take steps towards understanding each other. Don’t expect Meryem to be constructive. Maybe she will be in the next episode, who knows. However, don’t’ expect her to be soft or understanding.


Anyway, we got used to Meryem and her insensitive approach. She also works very hard. Everybody except her can ditch the work; she almost runs the whole kitchen by herself.


There is three more people who joined in the Food sector in this episode: Erdogan, Selim, and Ayche. They had the money; apparently it didn’t suffice. Our courageous girl Ayche still shares the same room with two rapists. Maybe she will leave them but she still accompanies them. They work in a restaurant; but I feel queasy when they are working because Selim constantly wipes his nose with the back of his hand. He wipes and he wipes. These trio, who shouldn’t be cute by the way, continue to their adventure with all their cuteness. I have to say this: Ayche is a beautiful and cute girl but her acting doesn’t look natural sometimes.


Do you know what disturbed me in this episode? Recklessness. This happened before: a driving lesson very close to the sea. What a courage! Isn’t there any other place in Istanbul to give a driving lesson? Why would you give a driving lesson in a place where you can easily fall into the sea by a tiny mistake? Sorry but you are doing this all the time and you are wrong. Let’s forgive them for now because both of them were very cute in this scene. We hope that our director heard us. Yes to beautiful views but no to nonsense. Please!


We liked Kerim, Fatmagul, and Rahmi scenes in this episode. Rahmi told Kerim what we have been feeling for him: “You are a real man. I trust you and I love you very much.”


We also love and trust Kerim. He deserved our love and trust many times. He left quietly with his loneliness, with his bag in his hand, and with his calm and not hurting manners when he was offended the most. However, everything was so beautiful in this episode. They were true lovers. As we said before, kissing is not necessary. Little gestures tell more to show how deep the relationship is. There are many examples in this episode. For example, his immediate sensation of something is wrong when he looks at Fatmagul’s face even though she tries to hide it; Kerim’s mischievous sneaking behind Fatmagul’s back while she paints the wall and his scaring her by holding her hand; his giving her cheeks a playful squeeze; his comfort when he says to Fatmagul “Come’n drive!” while he rests his back against the car seat; Fatmagul’s smelling Kerim’s hair and her giving Kerim a small kiss on his cheek and Kerim’s taking it normally. Just a couple episodes ago, didn’t they zoom the camera slowly to show their holding hands with a very magical music playing at the background? Who would have thought these things could happen? These little gestures, jokes, mimics showed us that they came long way. But, still there is “but”. As we said in the beginning, couples should be open to each other. Secrets, even though they are made of white lies, harm the relationship. Therefore, no matter how much their relationship is progressed, it can be easily broken by an ugly intervention. And it did happen. Our couple, especially Kerim, found themselves in a dark loneliness again. This episode starting with a nice song sang by Rahmi and Kerim and with Fatmagul’s joy is shadowed by Mustafa’s ugly voice. Their life colored by Emre’s visit is darkened by Mukaddes’ jealousy. Kerim and Fatmagul are left without a ladder in dark wells again. Viewers gawped with a lump in their throats without getting satisfaction of love and happiness. Again they wasted it. This love is unnecessarily being tested again. Their and our enjoyment of their love unfortunately didn’t last long. Fatmagul just stared after Kerim unable to understand why he left and Kerim just left with tears in his eyes unable to even ask why he was not loved.


Separation Belongs to Love

the ivy roses are opened
unconscious with their smell
in the most splendid time of the star twilight
established like a secret sneak
inside of me, sorrow
on a far telephone, crying
a rainy young woman
wind
had driven stars to far darkness
purple sparks are passing
in my scattered loneliness
i am missing her much, i am missing her much
in every part of my body
aches of gravy burns
me, falling somewheres as thunderbolt
whenever i feel our separation
irons are melting because of my desire...

sunk in moonlight
black pepper trees,
in silver dust
night's river swimming, lilies
jasmines are forgotten
smiles apprehensively
because separation too has a wild taste
because separation too belongs to love
because the beloveds separated are still beloved
they cant live any single moment alone
every moment, together with the other one
everything is related with her

agitated in the darkness, soft bats
spreading out increasingly
smell of burnt weeds
stars are in an unbelievable bigness
reflections has taken over the whole shore
because separation too has a wild taste
so wild that it is unbearable
because separation too belongs to love
because the beloveds separated are still beloved



loneliness
violently landing clouds
a dark stench
air is heavy, soil is heavy, leaf is heavy
water dusts are raining over us
our freedom is our loneliness?
dark blue turns into light purple
a fog took over the forest
darkness fell over sea
loneliness
tough like flint
sharp as diamond
where ever you turn, you have yourself cut
you lose blood terribly
even more when you don't have somebody knock your door
hold your hands
her wrist, snow-white like neck of swan
her fingers, long and slim
her warm looks, accomplice
her secret smiles
the biggest problem of the lonely ones
what it worths, alone freedom?
that's the thing they couldn't solve once
to not resemble of
dead planet's
cold loneliness
freedom undoubtedly will be shared
with an accomplice beloved


we two both had supposed that
on this earth only
we exist for each other
we two both supposed that
even into a loneliness for one
we could fit smoothly
we have never mistaken
even with dropping and dropping
like a crystal glass
we have been broken into pieces
still that volcano mouth is in our hearts
still smiling bloody red
-as a smile from fire-
our deepest love

Buna , Michi !!!

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