42. Fatmagül'un sucu ne ? ~ General Discussions - Comentarii

michiper68 a scris:

tu ai fatza de armenian actress. te sustin. pe dubai o alegem prima sotie. eu voi fi usha...un barbat atinge usha de mai multe ori decat isi atinge sotia intr-o viata...

Esti geniala , Michi .
Daa . Ai vazut ca el cand se imbata imbratiseaza stalpii de rezistenta . Cine vrea sa fie stalp ?

victorelalove a scris:


Esti geniala , Michi .
Daa . Ai vazut ca el cand se imbata imbratiseaza stalpii de rezistenta . Cine vrea sa fie stalp ?

pai nu ma poate plati doar ca sa fiu usha. pt norma intreaga o sa fiu si stalp, si pat si televizor...stau acolo cuminte...

michiper68 a scris:

pai nu ma poate plati doar ca sa fiu usha. pt norma intreaga o sa fiu si stalp, si pat si televizor...stau acolo cuminte...

Mai ales pat .

Dar unii fani sunt suparati . Ca cica nu va fi Engin in rol principal . Ca este scris de ece si melek . Ca este scenariul varza .
Dar ce ii multumeste ? Nici nu vazuram despre ce este vorba . Poate ca va fi mai bun ca in FGSN . Ce pesimisti .
Eu ma bucur . Mult .

Engin Akyurek will play the role of younger brother REFIK from the novel CEVDET BEY VE OĞULLARI. This is confirmed. The scenarist will be Ece-Melek. It is believed that the other brother role will be played by Kenan İmirzalıoğlu. I'm personally not happy with the news because Refik character well let's say isn't so great but I trust Engin will make it watchable. (S)

michiper68 a scris:Engin Akyurek will play the role of younger brother REFIK from the novel CEVDET BEY VE OĞULLARI. This is confirmed. The scenarist will be Ece-Melek. It is believed that the other brother role will be played by Kenan İmirzalıoğlu. I'm personally not happy with the news because Refik character well let's say isn't so great but I trust Engin will make it watchable. (S)

Dar de ce sunt astia de pe USA cei mai pesimisti fani ?
In loc sa fie multumiti ca este Engin in nou proiect ... Si Engin va eclipsa pe oricine .
Multumim , Michi !!!

eu sunt optimista. am si scris. cu engleza mea de furculision. nici mustafa bulut nu a fost un personaj pozitiv demn de luat ca exemplu dar engin a fost genial.

sigur si fanii au dreptate , mustafa a fost scris de meral nu de ece si melek dar ...macar sa vad un engin intr-un prim sezon la fel de dens ca fatmagul si plin de actiune. fatmagul primul sezon e fara cusur..

michiper68 a scris:eu sunt optimista. am si scris. cu engleza mea de furculision. nici mustafa bulut nu a fost un personaj pozitiv demn de luat ca exemplu dar engin a fost genial.

sigur si fanii au dreptate , mustafa a fost scris de meral nu de ece si melek dar ...macar sa vad un engin intr-un prim sezon la fel de dens ca fatmagul si plin de actiune. fatmagul primul sezon e fara cusur..

Asa este .
Michi , Kerim este un rol saracacios . Tot Engin l-a facut interesant . Gandeste-te la cat de mult trebuia sa stea pe la geamul ala ...si sa se uite dupa Gullia . Pai ... asa era scris in scenariu . Uita-te pe geam !!!! ... si se uita . Dar nu putea sa spuna cum . Engin facea tot . El . Cu ochisoarii aia superbi ai lui . Modul in care se uita dupa ea ...fara sa spuna nimic . Este tot meritul lui . Nu stiu ...poate sunt eu prea oarba ...si-l vad pe Engin bun .
Si eu am incredere in el . Mare . Sunt convinsa ca ne va incanta si de data asta . Are talent .
Nu stiu ce ar vrea fanii .
Le era mai bine cand nu stiau nimic de el ...si de vreun proiect ?

acum discuta despre cum au unele siteuri exclusivitate si altele nu. si una din fane chiar e administrator de site si a spus ca a trimis nenumarate mailuri si nu i-au raspuns. fanii stiu ca si noi ca managera lui e o ruda, e casatorita.

michiper68 a scris:acum discuta despre cum au unele siteuri exclusivitate si altele nu. si una din fane chiar e administrator de site si a spus ca a trimis nenumarate mailuri si nu i-au raspuns. fanii stiu ca si noi ca managera lui e o ruda, e casatorita.

Da. Nu mi se pare corect . Sa-i anunte pe toti . De ce sa fie unii mai cu mot ?

Michi , eu sunt fericita . Imi este asa de dor de el . Acum ca stim cate ceva ... pot sa stau mai linistita .
A venit Dubai cu noroc .

victorelalove a scris:

Da. Nu mi se pare corect . Sa-i anunte pe toti . De ce sa fie unii mai cu mot ?

Michi , eu sunt fericita . Imi este asa de dor de el . Acum ca stim cate ceva ... pot sa stau mai linistita .
A venit Dubai cu noroc .

daaa. am zis eu ca e tarziu si daca vor septembrie e momentul sa inceapa sa-l promoveze...

michiper68 a scris:

daaa. am zis eu ca e tarziu si daca vor septembrie e momentul sa inceapa sa-l promoveze...

Daaaa . Sa-l promoveze Engin pe plaja . Se facea plaja in anii 70 ?

din ce citesc hilara se va muta la kusey guney..pacat...

mai fetelor ce e furtuna asta in bucuresti? de ieri noapte bate un vant...

michiper68 a scris:din ce citesc hilara se va muta la kusey guney..pacat...

Poate ca va lucra cu Engin .
Cred ca amandoi vor . Nimic nu cred ca este batut in cuie . Incearca si ei sa se imparta .

Ce furtuna Michi ? La noi nu este nicio furtuna . Nu bate niciun vant . Nimic . Trimite-ne si noua .

victorelalove a scris:

Poate ca va lucra cu Engin .
Cred ca amandoi vor . Nimic nu cred ca este batut in cuie . Incearca si ei sa se imparta .

Ce furtuna Michi ? La noi nu este nicio furtuna . Nu bate niciun vant . Nimic . Trimite-ne si noua .

mi-au mai spus colegii. in militari e vant. si la televiziune era.

michiper68 a scris:

mi-au mai spus colegii. in militari e vant. si la televiziune era.

Prin Titan este liniste .
Parca a inceput putin sa se racoreasca . Dar putin .

Dar fratele pe care il joaca Engin este rol secundar ? Pai si cine ar putea sa joace rolul principal ?
Daca nu Kenan ? Ca altcineva ... nu vad cine .

sunt confuzi fanii. acum zic ca e si kenan si berg...nu cred. kenan are alti scenaristi. ay yapim nu zice nimic.mai asteptam. important e ca stim ca are proiect. acum se fac distributiile...

michiper68 a scris:sunt confuzi fanii. acum zic ca e si kenan si berg...nu cred. kenan are alti scenaristi. ay yapim nu zice nimic.mai asteptam. important e ca stim ca are proiect. acum se fac distributiile...

Si oricum nu cred ca va semana cu cartea . Nu stiu de ce se agita fanii asa . De la carte pana la serial ...este cale lunga .
Ok ...cartea poate fi cum vrea ea . Serialul trebuie sa fie mai soft . Cel putin din punct de vedere al personajelor din rol principal . Asa cum au facut si cu Kerim . Sunt multe episoade .

abia astept. prima informatie oficiala. primele poze, primul promo...nu mai e mult pana in septembrie. cennet a anuntat pt suskunlar inceputul sezonului 2 dupa 10 septembrie. cred ca 15 septembrie pt noul sezon e o data rezonabila.. cam atunci vor incepe toate.

michiper68 a scris:abia astept. prima informatie oficiala. primele poze, primul promo...nu mai e mult pana in septembrie. cennet a anuntat pt suskunlar inceputul sezonului 2 dupa 10 septembrie. cred ca 15 septembrie pt noul sezon e o data rezonabila.. cam atunci vor incepe toate.

Engin bronzat ? cupidon
Sa vedem ce look va avea . Dar cred ca va avea tot parul mai lung . Sa nu-i mai intre totusi in ochi . Sa fie mai ca in BBO . Sa fie imbracat la costume . Si sa fie doctorul care face de toate . Asista la nasteri . Sta cu amanta . ...

This Refik seems to be an important character actually - if Engin is really going to play him.

The first novel of Nobel Prize winner Orhan Pamuk has yet to be published in English. This is a pity since Cevdet bey ve Oğulları ("Cevdet Bey and His Sons") lays the foundation from which the unified structure of his work rises. Pamuk's theme, as always, is the never ending dialectic within Turkey between East and West. For all of Anatolia lies on the Asian side of the Bosphorus while Istanbul, the commanding center, forms a great blot on the European side. The Pamuk Family Building rises there in the city's elegant Nishantashi quarter. In one of its rooms the author sat down with pen and paper and began to create his literary world. He was twenty and had given up his ambition to be a painter. In Istanbul (2003) he tells us of his childhood and youth until 1975. Closed in his room from 1974 to 1978, he wrote Cevdet bey ve Oğulları, to be published in 1982. There's something of a paradox in the fact that his first novel begins where Istanbul ends.
The novel recounts the mighty East-West encounter viewed from the intimacy of three generations of a bourgeois family much like Pamuk's. It begins in 1905, just before the rise of the Young Turks and the end of the Ottoman Empire, then moving on to 1938 and the celebration of the Republic's fifteenth anniversary. Atatürk dies and the clouds of WWII gather. The story ends in 1970 just before the military coup d'état strikes a blow at both the political left and the Islamists.
Cevdet bey, a rich and astute businessman, keeps out of politics. He's a Muslim at a time when Armenians, Greeks and Jews dominate Istanbul commerce. The book may count 683 pages, but the three generations of the family parade before us at some speed, like photographs snapped at thirty-year intervals. In the chapter "Night and Life," for instance, Cevdet, thirty-seven, wonders if he will be happy with his future spouse Nigân. She is the timid daughter of a Pasha who is devoted to the Sultan but near financial ruin and given to drink in the bargain. A few pages later Cevdet, now a grandfather, has lost his vigor, overshadowed by his sons Osman and Refik.
The placid Cevdet, appointed exclusive supplier of streetlights to the municipality, had also acquired the nickname of the Enlightener. This contrasted him to his brother Nusret, a passionate proponent of the French Revolution and another kind of Enlightenment. Likewise, Osman is rock-solid, whereas the restless Refik never knows satisfaction. Refik's friends, like himself, are former engineering students at the university. Omer imagines himself a world-beater in the line of Balzac's Rastignac, while Muhittin, ugly and long-faced, identifies with Baudelaire and vows to become a great poet or else commit suicide at thirty. Cevet's nephew Ziya, also a bringer of municipal light, (but disliked by the family), forsakes illumination to become an army officer. (Given his choice of names, the author may have in mind the nationalist Ziya Gökalp.)
The novelist's building blocks are the strong contrasts of temperament that mark the many characters. The narrative proceeds by dialogs, many of them interior and unspoken. Although few pages are devoted to Cevdet, his name graces the title and his exchanges with his brother and his father-in-law are the finest and most meaningful of the novel. All the author's books to come exist in embryo in this first novel. Similarly, the novel's first part determines how it will develop, one question always resonating, "Who am I and how should I live my life?" The theme will be worked out musically in infinite variation. Rhythmic repetitions of words and concepts emphasize the musicality (e.g., to be a Rastignac, to commit suicide, to fight over Hatay province). Characters reappear even after hundreds of pages (such as the unidentified Cenap Sorar who, referred to in a cited article of no importance on page 130, returns on page 613 as the second husband of one of the novel's main characters).
The symphonic complexity of the story sends us back to its obvious model, Buddenbrooks of Thomas Mann. The Nishantashi quarter recalls Lubeck; the businessman Cevdet is like the businessman Johann; Refik nervously reading The Confessions of Rousseau suggests Thomas Buddenbrook seeking answers in Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation. But the similarities of the two books also serve to underline their fundamental difference: Mann's novel recounts the decline of a family and a world, while Pamuk's tells of a family, however tormented and dramatic, that is decidedly on the rise. The key word of the novel is nishan, "target." Each character seeks to determine his own objective and so move forward. The word recurs throughout in different contexts, confirming Pamuk's masterful control of his mother tongue. At this point translators must not opt for synonyms and a more facile flow of language for fear of scaring off readers. (Nor should publishers attempt to be reader friendly by neglecting to complete this historical novel with adequate notes.)
By law in 1934 Turks had to choose a surname. Muhittin chose Nishanci, because his father had been a "target shooter" in the army, a specialist rifleman. That explains Muhittin's bitter remark when downhearted that he should instead have chosen Nishancioglu, "son of the target shooter," seeing that he has no aim in life. Again, the successful or failed betrothals that involve so many of the characters recall that in Turkish an engagement ring is called "a target ring." Finally, it should be noted that Cevdet's villa, the novel's sacred space and privileged location, lies in the Nishantashi quarter that translates as "target stone" because Ottoman soldiers went there, before it became residential, for target practice.
While not all the characters have found a target to aim at, the author is clear about his: He presses into service the great tradition of the European novel to search the soul of the rising Turkish middle class. Pamuk found inspiration not only in Thomas Mann but in nineteenth-century Russian writers. The frenetic political reunions that Muhittin frequents owe something to Dostoevsky's The Possessed. Refik, the would-be reformer of the agricultural system, has much in common with Levin of Anna Karenina. (Refik is a Levin who failed.) Pamuk's undertaking, moreover, has interesting parallels in the world of film. Ingmar Bergman's Fanny and Alexander (1982) is a lengthy family saga in which the director revisits his own childhood. Woody Allen's Love and Death (1975) is a wistful bow to War and Peace by way of parody. Like Allen and Bergman, Pamuk's raw material comes from his own inner life, which he then fits into a preexisting model.
Pamuk's way of proceeding is revealed in My Father's Suitcase, his Stockholm speech of 2006 on receiving the Nobel Prize for Literature. A dialectic like that between Pamuk and his father occurs, modified by the needs of the novel, between Refik and Muhittin. And Pamuk is present in all the characters of the novel, but especially in Ahmet, Refik's son, an aspirant painter who in 1970 reads the diary of his father without completely understanding it. Unlike Hanno Buddenbrook, however, who dies of typhus ending his dynasty, Orhan Pamuk, far from declining, rises. He closes himself in a room and sets to work.

deci. vor filma in istanbul, clar.

And Pamuk is present in all the characters of the novel, but especially in Ahmet, Refik's son, an aspirant painter who in 1970 reads the diary of his father without completely understanding it.

deci actiunea e prin 50-60. engin la costum cu palarie. suta la suta cu palarie. eventual ghiul. va bea ceaiuri tacticos. oamenii traiau altfel intr-o lentoare teribila. ceva mashini de epoca, ceva femei frumoase, nu capoade, inflorituri..

michiper68 a scris:This Refik seems to be an important character actually - if Engin is really going to play him.

Multumim , Michi .
Da . Pare interesant . Dar nu va fi ca in roman .
Sigur vor schimba lucrurile . Asa fac mereu .

michiper68 a scris:

deci actiunea e prin 50-60. engin la costum cu palarie. suta la suta cu palarie. eventual ghiul. va bea ceaiuri tacticos. oamenii traiau altfel intr-o lentoare teribila.

Abia astept sa-l vad .
Dar Engin in lentoare ??????? Ooooooo...asta chiar ca va fi de vazut .

victorelalove a scris:

Abia astept sa-l vad .
Dar Engin in lentoare ??????? Ooooooo...asta chiar ca va fi de vazut .

pai din ce inteleg ei discuta multa politica. abia astept sa-l vad cu ceaiul in fatza la o discutie dupa ce a plecat de la actrita nesatula...